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welcome back to uap studies today my

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guest is vinnie adams from the

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disclosure team vinnie is joining us

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from the uk and he's uh graciously

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enough accepted my invitation i'm pretty

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sure that i threatened him that i would

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divorce him if he wasn't on the podcast

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this year jokingly on facebook so it's

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awesome that he uh agreed to come on

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louie you join us again as co-host on

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this podcast my man how you doing i'm

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doing really good brother how are you oh

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i'm good i'm good i'm uh really excited

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about our guest today i'm excited about

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the topics that we're going to cover and

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most

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you know a big fan of this podcast uh if

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you haven't

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if you've lived under a rock for the

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last few years and you haven't heard of

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the disclosure team

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do yourself a favor go watch a podcast

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it's on youtube it's pretty much

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everywhere i think instagram

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twitter

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you can't miss it just type it into your

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google search and it will pop up so

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vinnie adams welcome to the show brother

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i noticed uh i've did some research and

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looked through some of your previous

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guests and you've had some some of the

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big names uh you know in the uap world

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so to speak you've had lou elizondo and

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tim mcmillan who's been on our show a

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couple times thomas winterton from

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skinwalker ranch also been on our show

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so a lot of those people are their names

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are prevalent right now skinwalkers are

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sort of making a comeback as well so i

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just wanted to ask you have you had any

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uh i don't want to say favorite guests

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because i don't want to put you in that

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spot but were there anyone that you know

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you kind of got drifted away with and

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you thought you know i really enjoyed

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that i didn't expect that from this

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person or maybe they brought up a

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certain topic that you're really fond of

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and it just kind of

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turned into this really awesome

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recording if you had any of those

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moments either starting out or recently

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i have indeed and first of all let me

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just say thank you so much for having me

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um when i was asked of course i would

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never say no i'm a fan of this show so i

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had to like jump at the opportunity so

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thank you very much um but to answer

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your question i've had so many moments

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guests where i almost have a

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preconceived notion of what the

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conversation's gonna go like and nine

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times out of ten i'm completely wrong

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and completely off and that's awesome

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because i get i still get really super

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nervous for every interview

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but then you soon realize that the

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person that you're speaking to isn't how

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expected them to be and the conversation

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case in point and you just mentioned him

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is thomas winston who i spoke to earlier

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it's like i said it's still

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nerve-wracking but

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very quickly it was clear that thomas

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was just a chilled guy up for open

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conversation and before i knew it we

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with sean cahill you know he's uh he's

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about hey man it's a safe space just go

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there and he's like wow all right i'm

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going to tell you something i've never

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told anybody i pretty much saw uap and i

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saw the pilot okay there i said it and

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we felt really blessed that he uh he

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chose us to make that revelation right

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even if it's something that's not you

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earth-shattering it's still you if he

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wasn't comfortable and if he wasn't

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enjoying the exchange it wouldn't happen

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right so uh so yeah for me that was a

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moment i had recently that was uh um you

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know made us feel good gave us a little

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tear right so i still yeah i still get

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nervous absolutely like even today i was

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nervous like i'm nervous at every

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interview because you never know how

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you know even though this is audio only

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a podcast i'm not on youtube or anything

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people turn on their cameras because it

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does such a huge favor to us as

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podcasters when we could see the

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person's face and reactions

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throws me off like the editing that i

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have to do on these podcasts is insane

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and you don't know how the guy took what

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you just said either if there's an

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awkward silence oh no have i done

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something or is he just taking a minute

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actually guessing right i think we're

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still visual creatures we need that body

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we're on the same page here right we're

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digging what's happening yeah otherwise

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it's like a phone call you just can't

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gauge how the other person's you know on

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the other end is receiving it so

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my question to you would be what got you

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started in uaps

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what was it that triggered it for vinnie

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adams that got you on this

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course that you're on right now with

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investigation because it's not just

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podcasting that you do and talking with

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people that are in this world of ufology

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you're an actual researcher as well so

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what got you like so embedded into this

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you know what and

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i give the same answer on every podcast

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so i'm actually going to switch it up a

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little bit today and almost give you a

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little something that i've already

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spoken about it's a safe zone brother it

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worked last week

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let's do it that's right

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you're among friends

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so yeah my i mean like as a young child

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you know i was born in 77 so by the time

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i you know the early 80s here i was

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of sci-fi stuff et close encounters all

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that kind of stuff so that was already

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in my ever developing brain at the time

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teens early 20s i met you know i was

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partying a bit and i just kept meeting

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different people and there were people

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things and i'd never really come across

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documentaries that were out and stuff

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like that but i always found myself with

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more questions at the end and i was not

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satisfied so i was like i've got to find

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there's documents you can go online and

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research and so i was doing that purely

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joy you know i really enjoyed sitting up

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buried deep you know on a screen full of

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documents and and then that just kept

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excuse me when 2017 here like a lot of

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people it was a big revelation and i

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knew how important it it was and could

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um and then just bringing it back to the

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last few years the pandemic here

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you know i was at home

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social media page i chose instagram

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just to kind of put things down for my

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benefit really i could go back and look

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before i knew it i mean this was

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december i i had the account for a while

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but i didn't post anything really till

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the end of 2020 early 2021. so we're

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already talking just over a year and all

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of a sudden it just blew up and i was

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i can either do this

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for real or not and i just went 110 and

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here i am today

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110 is correct my man

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i just like i said before we started

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recording the podcast i'm in awe of the

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amount of work that you do

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uh i'm extremely lazy i will only

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podcast and once a week

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which you know and you're at it all week

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long like you got stuff going on all

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week plus your investigations as well so

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uh your work ethic is is very good

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thank you man i appreciate that

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i noticed that you mentioned that you

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what kind of peak your interest was

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getting involved with people that were

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kind of enlightened thinkers not scared

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to think outside the box maybe not so

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much esoteric but just that whole idea

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of consciousness and spirituality and

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the higher it seems now anyway since

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a-tip videos and everything else the

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higher level of person you speak to

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they they have a humble respect for that

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yeah it's a conscious thing you know

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reaching out to it interacting with it

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whether we're talking about like ce5

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encounters with stephen greer in a a new

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mexican desert where you can manifest

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things with your thoughts or with your

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meditations or whatever but it seems the

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the deeper down the rabbit hole we go of

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physics the physics fizzles away

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and the weird supernatural anything's

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possible seems to be more prevalent so

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it's nice to and it's refreshing to hear

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people finally giving that some credence

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and not just fluffing it off like

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nonsense

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yeah i mean i will admit that i am from

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more of a nuts and bolts research

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background because i'm very evidential

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based you know i need i can't be like

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maybes and well it almost says this so i

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believe that i need that final piece of

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conclusive evidence to form a a decision

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on something but then last year before i

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started on youtube i was speaking to

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james ian doley a lot of engaging the

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phenomena who's an incredible researcher

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podcaster and everything just a nice guy

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and he was just kept saying you should

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do youtube you should do youtube and i

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was like i hate being in front of the

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camera i'm not the best talker

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but you kept persuading me and i started

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and then you know me and james have got

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a good friendship and he's just

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so he the way he covers that kind of

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consciousness aspect to the phenomena it

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really allowed me to open up and come

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away from the nuts and bolts and really

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embrace other aspects of the phenomena

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and since then you know

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i've realized that there are so many

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connections between all those different

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aspects

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is there anything that's kind of at the

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forefront of your mind like what are you

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digging now when you have somebody on

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that brings up topic x like what is it

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that you're super

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interested in and kind of uh

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enthusiastic about learning more about

294
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because we're always evolving i think

295
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right so what is that with you right now

296
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i suppose um

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probably because i spoke to thomas

298
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winterton was my last interview so when

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george knapp and lakatsky

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and colin kelleher released skin walkers

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at the pentagon i think it was november

302
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of 2021 and that really did show these

303
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connections between nuts and bolts and

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and you know the woo let's say

305
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and that's been prevalent in my mind

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ever since just really forming those

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connections and now we've heard people

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like lou speak a little bit more about

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those connections as well sean cahill

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you know he's a very spiritual guy and

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you know he appreciates those things as

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well so to me it's just forming those

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connections and finding more

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evidence data information

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so yeah i think that's that's what's

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been on my mind because i you know skin

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walk around as much as i'm a fan of the

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tv show i was a big fan of george

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knapp's first book um with the work done

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by nids back in the sort of 90s

321
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and then obviously with all the awesome

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data it's just it's a treasure trove i

323
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just wish we had more because i know

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there's more out well not out there it's

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hidden but

326
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yeah yeah we're we're basically right

327
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there i mean uh we've gone down the

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skinwalker ranch uh uh rabbit hole and

329
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in fact we have george knapp and colin

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kelleher on next week to discuss just

331
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that their new book so um it's funny how

332
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things come out and then it was like

333
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where was that six months ago now it's

334
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like maybe there's things in the work

335
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and people don't talk about it because

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they're in the works and that's maybe

337
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how it kind of becomes present but uh

338
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yeah we're super excited about what's

339
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coming out anything that is legitimate

340
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disclosure from the government whether

341
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it's a tic tac video or a book about you

342
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know

343
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uaps or the studies that the pentagon

344
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does

345
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my first notice of that book actually

346
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was on the very back jason and i bought

347
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a copy we like to support our guests and

348
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read their latest book and on the back

349
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it said this book has been uh released

350
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and the information has been approved by

351
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the department of defense and i thought

352
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well that's a bunch of [\h__\h] like

353
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these guys filtered the book what kind

354
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of book is this and i took the wrong way

355
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and i've subsequently i've heard george

356
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knapp on another podcast and he said

357
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like we wanted to make this thing thick

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and the government said no to 85 percent

359
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of it so absolutely it's a bit filtered

360
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because it's a legitimate thing yeah

361
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they weren't going to give them carte

362
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blanche and let them write whatever they

363
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want about it so at first i was kind of

364
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turned off by it and then i thought hey

365
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you know you hit a nerve there a little

366
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bit because they they went through it

367
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and wanted to have their final stamp of

368
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approval so um that tells me that

369
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there's some validity to what they're

370
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talking about right

371
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yeah i think if you read between some of

372
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the lines in the book you can almost see

373
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where things end and there should be

374
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more information and you can kind of see

375
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where the video is

376
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and i find that just as intriguing as

377
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you know what it possibly could be about

378
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you know

379
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you learn to kind of read between the

380
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lines and again yeah as long as you

381
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don't read between those lines and say

382
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that's got to be fact you don't know but

383
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yeah you kind of

384
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you get to that stage eventually and i

385
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really like that and it throws up a lot

386
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of questions it's like puzzle pieces

387
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with ufology you know you get a little

388
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piece here a little piece there and

389
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sometimes they don't match you know

390
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they're going to be for another section

391
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of the puzzle but you got to hold on to

392
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it and eventually you get a big picture

393
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and that's really what ufology kind of

394
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is over the years like even canada this

395
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week i'm really impressed they released

396
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a bunch of documents on uaps and ufo

397
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activities uh you have that um oh man

398
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i'm bad with names but he's a canadian

399
00:13:37,030 --> 00:13:35,200
politician that's pushing

400
00:13:39,670 --> 00:13:37,040
for more disclosure and investigation

401
00:13:41,590 --> 00:13:39,680
into uh oh man what's his name

402
00:13:42,470 --> 00:13:41,600
it's going to kill me yeah yeah yeah

403
00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:42,480
sorry

404
00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:43,920
but yeah

405
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i've been speaking to victor vigiani

406
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these last few days about it because

407
00:13:51,189 --> 00:13:49,760
victor's coming on in a few weeks um

408
00:13:53,269 --> 00:13:51,199
and he was just sending me some

409
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information and i had looked into it

410
00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:55,120
already

411
00:13:58,949 --> 00:13:56,399
picked the wrong email where it just

412
00:14:00,829 --> 00:13:58,959
says canadian minister

413
00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:00,839
it's bugging me if i don't know the

414
00:14:05,509 --> 00:14:03,680
name i'm one of those guys you know

415
00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:05,519
well we can give some thanks to paul

416
00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:07,680
hellyer he was the first high-ranking

417
00:14:11,509 --> 00:14:09,519
canadian military official to actually

418
00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:11,519
say something's up you know when he

419
00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:13,360
responded to a craft like he was at home

420
00:14:16,069 --> 00:14:14,880
he got a call from his senior people

421
00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:16,079
that hey there's something you should

422
00:14:19,670 --> 00:14:18,000
probably come check out and he gets

423
00:14:20,949 --> 00:14:19,680
there and the americans are already well

424
00:14:23,269 --> 00:14:20,959
organized putting that thing back

425
00:14:25,110 --> 00:14:23,279
together and he kind of realized wait

426
00:14:27,189 --> 00:14:25,120
you know i'm the minister of defense for

427
00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:27,199
the country how do i not even know what

428
00:14:31,189 --> 00:14:28,959
the hell is going on in regards to these

429
00:14:32,710 --> 00:14:31,199
things so and he was instrumental with

430
00:14:34,949 --> 00:14:32,720
the national press club meetings too

431
00:14:37,189 --> 00:14:34,959
right so absolutely

432
00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:37,199
yeah you know it was a shame you know

433
00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:38,880
when he passed away last year you know

434
00:14:44,069 --> 00:14:42,000
it really was um the guy's name i can't

435
00:14:45,829 --> 00:14:44,079
find it i'm sorry it's just i will find

436
00:14:48,150 --> 00:14:45,839
it is it haig

437
00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:48,160
that rings a bell

438
00:14:51,829 --> 00:14:50,160
i know there's an l you know what this

439
00:14:53,350 --> 00:14:51,839
the listeners are probably just gonna be

440
00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:53,360
like you know their toes curling right

441
00:14:57,910 --> 00:14:56,160
now come on you should know this uh we

442
00:15:01,350 --> 00:14:57,920
got a free t-shirt to whoever knows the

443
00:15:06,629 --> 00:15:04,230
yeah but uh no i mean canada's doing

444
00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:06,639
some some big stuff when it comes down

445
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:08,720
to at least disclosure trying to keep up

446
00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:10,959
with the states how is it like in the uk

447
00:15:16,230 --> 00:15:13,680
right now disclosure

448
00:15:18,550 --> 00:15:16,240
it's bad it's really bad yeah i mean

449
00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:18,560
last summer i think it was

450
00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:20,399
just after the preliminary assessment

451
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,560
came out of the dod um

452
00:15:27,750 --> 00:15:24,480
there was a few questions spoken about

453
00:15:29,590 --> 00:15:27,760
uap in the houses house of lords

454
00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:29,600
in the uk and it was just brushed off

455
00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:32,320
like it was nothing nothing to see here

456
00:15:35,670 --> 00:15:34,399
no national security issues or anything

457
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:35,680
like that

458
00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:38,079
that's it um and it's pretty much been

459
00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:40,320
that since so

460
00:15:45,189 --> 00:15:42,959
us i say us the guys at uap media uk

461
00:15:46,710 --> 00:15:45,199
have been really trying to push what was

462
00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:46,720
happening last year in the u.s where

463
00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:49,040
people can write to their local mps and

464
00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:50,800
members of parliament to really sort of

465
00:15:55,030 --> 00:15:52,880
get the conversation happening

466
00:15:56,710 --> 00:15:55,040
engaging with the press as well but

467
00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:56,720
i think we're at the early stages now

468
00:16:01,269 --> 00:15:58,639
where we just need to keep pushing that

469
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:01,279
um and maybe we'll catch up with the us

470
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,279
in a few years but it's just something

471
00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:05,680
it's typical of the uk we always wait to

472
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:07,920
see what the us does and we follow

473
00:16:11,670 --> 00:16:10,000
slowly behind you know a bit a bit of

474
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:11,680
time afterwards so

475
00:16:15,189 --> 00:16:13,120
i'm hoping that with the work that we're

476
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:15,199
doing and the engagement that we'll get

477
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:17,440
there eventually but we're certainly not

478
00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:20,079
not as far ahead as canada um and it was

479
00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:24,870
i knew you knew it

480
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:26,480
[Laughter]

481
00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:28,240
harry maguire

482
00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:30,240
good good good for larry thank you larry

483
00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:32,160
for helping yeah yeah representing

484
00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:34,320
canada but what's the uh what's a

485
00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:36,560
general view of the like you know for

486
00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:40,240
most people in um england and and uh

487
00:16:44,790 --> 00:16:42,560
europe like what's their view on the uap

488
00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:44,800
do they believe this is an actual thing

489
00:16:47,590 --> 00:16:46,240
just not being recognized by their

490
00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:47,600
governments

491
00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:49,120
or are they waiting for the government

492
00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:50,560
to come out and say something before

493
00:16:54,389 --> 00:16:53,040
they're like oh yeah i've seen it too

494
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:54,399
i mean i can't really speak for the

495
00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:55,839
other countries in europe because i know

496
00:16:59,829 --> 00:16:57,519
that they're they're at different stages

497
00:17:01,749 --> 00:16:59,839
like france is a lot more open to it

498
00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:01,759
than england but over here the problem

499
00:17:06,470 --> 00:17:03,759
is the media because we have the

500
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:06,480
tabloids covering it weekly every few

501
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:09,439
days but it's really bad alien x-files

502
00:17:11,990 --> 00:17:11,039
type headlines

503
00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:12,000
and it

504
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:13,520
i mean i've spoken to people who aren't

505
00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:15,039
interested in the subject and they've

506
00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:17,439
seen these stories and it's just like oh

507
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:18,880
i know

508
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:20,799
what you see and read and it just it

509
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:22,959
makes a joke out of the subject and the

510
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:24,640
stigma and taboo is still there because

511
00:17:28,789 --> 00:17:27,439
of that you know um it needs to stop but

512
00:17:31,510 --> 00:17:28,799
we are luckily engaged with some

513
00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:31,520
journalists through uap media uk

514
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:33,280
so i feel like the tide is turning

515
00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:35,440
slowly but surely so we just need to get

516
00:17:40,549 --> 00:17:37,440
the big the big name newspapers the

517
00:17:42,549 --> 00:17:40,559
broad sheets on board um but 2022 is a

518
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:42,559
big year for that aim so

519
00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:44,000
fingers crossed we'll we'll make some

520
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:45,360
traction soon

521
00:17:49,110 --> 00:17:46,799
probably doesn't help if the only

522
00:17:51,430 --> 00:17:49,120
tabloid newspaper putting any info has a

523
00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:51,440
picture of a ufo next to elvis has been

524
00:17:55,669 --> 00:17:54,160
spotted you know it kind of it makes it

525
00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:55,679
and maybe some people want it that way

526
00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:57,600
right keep it as a joke so that people

527
00:18:01,590 --> 00:17:59,120
keep brushing it off and saying there's

528
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:01,600
nothing there and philip mantle actually

529
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:02,960
mentioned that when he was on our show a

530
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:04,799
couple weeks ago that that's you know

531
00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:06,720
that even even though legitimate things

532
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:08,320
seem to be happening it doesn't really

533
00:18:12,549 --> 00:18:10,799
seem to be taken as seriously as as he

534
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,559
would like right what's like the cheesy

535
00:18:17,669 --> 00:18:14,160
graphics that they put on you know like

536
00:18:19,830 --> 00:18:17,679
a flying saucer through a city and then

537
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:19,840
they add like the stupid and then do you

538
00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:21,919
believe in these flying saucers it's

539
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:23,600
like yeah like why do you have to kick

540
00:18:27,590 --> 00:18:25,760
it off like that like why can't it be

541
00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:27,600
just a regular piece of news like

542
00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:30,160
everything else like holy [\h__\h] this took

543
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:32,960
place today and um here's some videos as

544
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:35,120
opposed to what do you think it is right

545
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:37,520
into us and finding us like oh yeah yeah

546
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:39,520
it's nice that we've changed we've

547
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:41,520
changed some of our acronyms right ufo

548
00:18:47,350 --> 00:18:44,640
to uap uh extraterrestrials to you know

549
00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:47,360
ebens extraterrestrial entities or

550
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:49,360
biological entities that type of thing

551
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:51,200
so maybe if we change the stigma the

552
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:52,640
word itself people will give it a little

553
00:18:55,110 --> 00:18:53,840
more credit

554
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:55,120
yeah i'm glad that we don't keep

555
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:57,280
labeling it with aliens and e.t and

556
00:19:00,390 --> 00:18:58,480
extraterrestrial because the

557
00:19:01,830 --> 00:19:00,400
conversation has expanded to the point

558
00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:01,840
where we don't know if they're

559
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:03,360
extraterrestrial because of all the

560
00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:05,200
other things like crypto terrestrials

561
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:07,120
they're interdimensional so i'm happy

562
00:19:11,029 --> 00:19:08,880
with that i'm happy with the fact that

563
00:19:13,750 --> 00:19:11,039
they use uap because it does reduce the

564
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:13,760
stigma in the conversation uap has been

565
00:19:17,350 --> 00:19:16,320
around since the 50s which you know some

566
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:17,360
people think oh well why have the

567
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,720
government suddenly changed it they

568
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:20,160
haven't they've been using it a long

569
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:22,080
time they're just doing it strategically

570
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,880
which is fine um

571
00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:26,320
but again one thing that just popped

572
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,000
into my head was when the national

573
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:30,080
defense authorization act was kind of

574
00:19:34,070 --> 00:19:31,280
and the gila brand amendment was

575
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:34,080
announced here and reported on in the uk

576
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:35,200
we had some

577
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:37,600
good information we liaised with the

578
00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:39,520
newspapers to get some you know

579
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:41,760
legitimate information in there but they

580
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:44,080
still stuck the headliners alien hunters

581
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:45,919
are happy that this new law is coming

582
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:46,880
it's like

583
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:49,600
alien hunters come on man

584
00:19:53,190 --> 00:19:51,679
yeah it's like giving you a compliment

585
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,200
while slapping you at the same time

586
00:19:57,669 --> 00:19:55,440
exactly you know what i mean like yeah

587
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:57,679
yeah so vinnie i gotta ask you uh you

588
00:20:02,230 --> 00:20:00,160
went to colombia recently i did yes it

589
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,240
looks amazing uh do you want to talk a

590
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:04,320
little bit about your trip to colombia

591
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:06,799
um yeah what do i are you allowed are

592
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:08,159
you allowed to talk about what happens

593
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:10,880
in colombia stays in columbia

594
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,120
there is stuff that we are kind of under

595
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:15,520
a small nda until this series kind of

596
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:16,480
comes out

597
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:18,640
but yeah i mean i can talk about it well

598
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,520
what got the uh the ball going on this

599
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:23,039
whole columbia trip like how did that

600
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:24,480
come about

601
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,559
so the guy that organizes it all ashley

602
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,080
cowie he's a

603
00:20:32,789 --> 00:20:30,400
quite a well-known dude he's an explorer

604
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:32,799
he's done a lot of tv shows in the past

605
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,960
uh on the travel channel and discovery

606
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:36,720
he's had his own shows he's featured

607
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,360
with josh gates on expedition unknown um

608
00:20:44,230 --> 00:20:41,760
but he re i say about a year ago he kind

609
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:44,240
of got into the uap subject

610
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:46,159
um and he runs a page called uap

611
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,400
columbia on instagram and everywhere

612
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:50,559
else and he got in contact with me

613
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:52,080
probably getting on for a year ago just

614
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:53,039
to say

615
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,720
i'd like to do some collaboration work

616
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:56,960
with you so we did some articles and

617
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,280
stuff about cases in colombia we kind of

618
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,360
broke them last year

619
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:02,640
and i didn't know who he was at this

620
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:05,280
time he hadn't divulged his name and

621
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,360
identity i was just speaking to uap

622
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:09,760
colombia but super nice guy

623
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:12,880
and then after a few months he kind of

624
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,840
started talking about um possibly doing

625
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:17,600
some something out there like doing a

626
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:20,159
documentary about this mysterious light

627
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:21,919
phenomena that's kind of similar to what

628
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,880
you see in the hestanon valley in norway

629
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:26,159
um

630
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:27,919
i know i was hooked i was like this

631
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:29,200
that's my kind of stuff the

632
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,640
science-based

633
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,559
aspect of the phenomena um so i was just

634
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,559
like yeah i'd love to be involved

635
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:36,240
not really thinking any anything would

636
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,520
come of it

637
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:39,600
but as the year progressed we were we

638
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,000
started speaking and having video calls

639
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,480
got to know ash um absolutely amazing

640
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,240
guy and then towards the end of last

641
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:49,440
year i got a message one day going right

642
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:50,640
it's happening

643
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,520
do you want in i'm like yes please um

644
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:55,600
before you know it

645
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,640
six weeks is the countdown and

646
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:00,880
that flies by and i'm on a plane with

647
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,520
dan the signal from my colleague at uap

648
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,400
media uk and i think everyone knows dan

649
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,799
as well from that ufo podcast and we're

650
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,159
you know we're flying out there and it's

651
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:11,600
just

652
00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:12,720
incredible to know that we're going to

653
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,480
be doing serious boots on the ground

654
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:17,039
investigations into a real interesting

655
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,480
phenomena so

656
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,240
yeah great stuff

657
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,720
yeah south america is no stranger to the

658
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,280
uap phenomenon as well right even other

659
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:27,120
parts like chile and argentina and stuff

660
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,799
like that there's been things in the air

661
00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:30,400
the water lights it's all the same

662
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:32,320
phenomenon it seems to be a global thing

663
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:33,360
not just

664
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,400
you know maybe it gets more attention or

665
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,159
kind of more momentum from the us

666
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:40,000
because maybe they take lead when these

667
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:41,280
kind of things happen and they've just

668
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:44,000
been doing so for longer uh and that's

669
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,679
kind of why they're if there are any

670
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:47,440
leaks it's going to come from where the

671
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,360
pot is hottest right and if that is the

672
00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:51,440
hub of information they're going to get

673
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:52,720
everything first and then it's going to

674
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:55,120
kind of trickle out you know from there

675
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,520
the one big thing that was different

676
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,600
that i kind of wasn't expecting as much

677
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:01,919
was that this is a a phenomena that has

678
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,480
been reported for about 400 years

679
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:06,480
and the people out there are very very

680
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,799
spiritual and you ask them what they

681
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,720
think these strange lights are straight

682
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:13,440
away without hesitation it's ufos

683
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:14,799
and when we're actually out there in the

684
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,400
local town all the walls around the

685
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:21,360
small town are just murals of ufos above

686
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:23,600
the mountain and stuff like that is

687
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,480
really ingrained in their psyche

688
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,120
every single one of them you know so

689
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:31,200
that was a a strange thing because you

690
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,200
have to then get past what people's

691
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:35,280
biases might be or just pure belief

692
00:23:37,990 --> 00:23:36,799
systems

693
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,000
and not forget that we're there to

694
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:40,159
actually try and gather evidence so but

695
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,520
it was still a beautiful thing you know

696
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:43,120
when you talk to someone out there about

697
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,200
ufos you know it's going to be a great

698
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:46,960
conversation there's no funny looks or

699
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:49,200
anything so that was awesome

700
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,960
well any of the north american cultures

701
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,480
right like if you look at like the zuni

702
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,440
or the pueblo indians or the hopi they

703
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,039
believe that you know they're the

704
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,679
descendants of star people um and even

705
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,760
when you go to like africa and polynesia

706
00:24:05,350 --> 00:24:03,520
and and that kind of gives credence to

707
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,360
the uh ancient alien theory that there

708
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,960
were some intelligent creatures here in

709
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,039
the past because it doesn't explain the

710
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,279
age of a lot of the things on our planet

711
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:13,039
or the artwork you know

712
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,400
some of these things look like they're

713
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,840
operating craft they're wearing

714
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,520
spaceship helmets some of them are

715
00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:19,840
massive beside little guys so either

716
00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,679
one's really really big or one is really

717
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,679
really small but they wanted to show

718
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,520
that there was a difference you know

719
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,080
and uh we still don't have any answers

720
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,480
to any of that stuff around the world so

721
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:32,320
i think that's kind of um especially in

722
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:33,679
south america that'd be a good place to

723
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:35,440
get maybe some unfiltered information

724
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,760
direct from from people who that has

725
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:40,000
become their uh you know their ethos

726
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,520
it's part of their religion now what

727
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:42,960
they actually believe

728
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,440
yeah totally i mean

729
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,279
the main goal was to do the research but

730
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,039
also to film this documentary series

731
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:50,640
which obviously we did

732
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,080
um

733
00:24:56,310 --> 00:24:54,720
and i mean that in itself was

734
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:56,320
a journey and it's it's called

735
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,720
phenomenology now that is actually the

736
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,600
the study of experience consciousness

737
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,840
and and a journey

738
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,360
and i think what the documentary series

739
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:07,279
will show is not only the investigation

740
00:25:09,990 --> 00:25:08,720
side of things but the journey that we

741
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,000
all took from

742
00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:13,120
day one to to to the end of the of the

743
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,080
trip and i think that will really shine

744
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:18,000
through because we it was me and dan but

745
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,080
there was also a group of people you

746
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,760
know about four or five other people

747
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,360
very different backgrounds we had a

748
00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:25,520
gentleman from london who was a

749
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:28,159
he's in international trade you know

750
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,760
doesn't come from a uap research

751
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:31,600
background but was asking great

752
00:25:35,750 --> 00:25:34,799
questions we had a new york judge 72

753
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,760
year old

754
00:25:39,990 --> 00:25:38,159
lady from new york so she comes with a

755
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,000
very analytical and

756
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,080
evidence and asking the right questions

757
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,159
about things and we had a gentleman who

758
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:46,480
works in

759
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,679
the u.s military establishment uh top

760
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,840
secret sci clearance i

761
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,840
i wasn't able to get much out of him

762
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,640
lovely lovely guy and we formed this

763
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,520
bond this team from so many different

764
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,760
angles and i think that's going to show

765
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:03,600
in the series as well so like i said

766
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,760
it's just going to be about a journey

767
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,679
but then with a really really

768
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,679
fascinating investigative side as well

769
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:11,600
so i hope people enjoy it

770
00:26:15,990 --> 00:26:14,559
so just uh i'm curious now because you

771
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,000
go down to columbia and now you're

772
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,559
immersed in this culture that believes

773
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:20,960
that these are ufos you see the art on

774
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,120
the wall uh you're with other people

775
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,880
that have the same interests as you that

776
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,720
must have been like an amazing

777
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,240
experience and it's almost like a

778
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:30,400
validation as well that you're kind of

779
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,760
on the right track

780
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,400
too with like this investigation

781
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,480
yeah i mean we we have this really nice

782
00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:38,320
big house we spent every minute of the

783
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:40,240
day together and the conversations after

784
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,679
filming finished with

785
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,000
just fascinating about uap because with

786
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,760
me and dan and we're getting asked a lot

787
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:47,279
of questions by these guys who just

788
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,720
wanted to know as much as they could

789
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,640
they were so enthusiastic

790
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,559
um and you tell them stuff and they just

791
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:54,720
come out with ideas and conversation

792
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:56,720
points that even i hadn't considered

793
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:58,720
certain aspects of so it really helped

794
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,919
form this cohesion and stuff um

795
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:03,520
so yeah i mean it was just it was just

796
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:05,279
great and when you're surrounded by such

797
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:06,400
beauty as well

798
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:09,760
yeah it's just an idyllic life you know

799
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,480
it's like an indiana jones thing like uh

800
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,720
i think you made references to that so

801
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,159
yeah it's pretty cool

802
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,159
do you have any other uh uh

803
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,640
faraway destinations kind of lined up or

804
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,320
are there any other hot spots around the

805
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,159
world that are worthy of uh visiting and

806
00:27:28,710 --> 00:27:26,480
doing some investigations

807
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,720
i i mean i guess there are i'd love to i

808
00:27:31,909 --> 00:27:30,799
think this columbia project is going to

809
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,919
continue

810
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,840
season two is going to be filmed in june

811
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,440
so there are already people lined up to

812
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,840
go out there unfortunately i'd love to

813
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:40,240
but i'm a family man i've got you know

814
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,760
that to kind of consider first and

815
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,440
foremost um

816
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,279
so yeah i mean i think it's good to give

817
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,039
other people an opportunity to go and

818
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,880
see it from another angle and then just

819
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,880
keep going so maybe next year i'll be

820
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,799
out there again but there's a lot more

821
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:54,320
work that needs to be done we need some

822
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:55,279
really

823
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:57,120
we need some intense sensor systems out

824
00:27:59,909 --> 00:27:57,919
there

825
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,919
to to really see what these things are i

826
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,520
think that's the next step in in the

827
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,600
next year or two so hopefully we'll get

828
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:06,240
there i'm quite positive you know we

829
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,880
were lucky enough to have some

830
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,279
advice and some private calls with

831
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,279
luella zondo and sean cahill while we

832
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,880
were out there to kind of

833
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:16,399
to see if they thought we were doing the

834
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:18,080
right thing at the right time and stuff

835
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,799
and

836
00:28:21,669 --> 00:28:20,399
you know they validated what we were

837
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,679
doing thank

838
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,120
thank those guys i can't thank those

839
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:24,559
guys enough you know they've been a real

840
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,600
big help

841
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:27,600
inside that project and outside as well

842
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:28,559
so

843
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,559
yeah that's just validation that i know

844
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,960
i'm kind of on the right track so yeah

845
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,880
and speaking about group events i just

846
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:37,039
want to ask your opinion uh i'm a big

847
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,279
kind of enthusiast on the whole idea of

848
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:41,520
like ce5 or close encounters of the

849
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,720
fifth kind group meditations people all

850
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,120
like-minded with the same intention

851
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:50,000
um that are supposedly able to manifest

852
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,440
lights or

853
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,760
craft or whatever uh what are your

854
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,200
thoughts on that have you spoken to

855
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,120
anybody who's been a part of that

856
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:59,200
i know stephen greer is he's the one

857
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,200
that sort of brought this to light with

858
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,600
his uh disclosure uh television and uh

859
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:06,159
you know amazon type program so if

860
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:07,279
you've spoken to anybody who's been

861
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:09,279
involved or uh or what are your thoughts

862
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:10,240
on that

863
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,600
i have i've spoken to many people

864
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,760
unfortunately i don't like the term ce5

865
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:15,679
because i feel like it's a brand name of

866
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,120
something that's been around for a lot

867
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,279
longer than when that first came about

868
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:21,440
it's more like that human cognitive

869
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:23,520
interface with

870
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:25,840
a non-human intelligence um

871
00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,679
it's not really my

872
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:29,360
side of research

873
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:31,279
but i certainly wouldn't brush it off

874
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,480
and what you were saying there about

875
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,159
more people together i mean if it's an

876
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:36,320
energy-based system then surely the more

877
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:37,440
people

878
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:39,440
projecting something out there amplifies

879
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:43,120
it yeah so i'm all for that you know um

880
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,880
so yeah i mean

881
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,640
i certainly wouldn't

882
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,399
say anything negative about it i'm not

883
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,480
that kind of person for me i'd like to

884
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,080
see more research but again i'm not

885
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:53,760
focusing on it so you know maybe it's

886
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,200
out there um like i said i have friends

887
00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,360
more into that side of things and i do

888
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,679
speak to them so i keep a very open mind

889
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,360
and i certainly wouldn't just brush it

890
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,440
off because it doesn't fit into my

891
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:08,320
paradigm let's say so and i think that's

892
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,480
how most people should should look at it

893
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:13,600
before just poo-pooing it right

894
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,200
actually vinnie that leads me to my

895
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:17,279
question i always want to ask you what's

896
00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:18,399
your thoughts on the abduction

897
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,080
phenomenon

898
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,039
i mean

899
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,120
i would never ever say to someone it's

900
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:27,039
not true and it didn't happen if

901
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,399
somebody believes that it happened to

902
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,960
them who am i to say it didn't

903
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,799
it's one of those things where you kind

904
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,039
of have to go on testimony only

905
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,799
you know you can't really research

906
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,039
beyond that sometimes there are cases

907
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,279
where there may be physical traces and

908
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:43,360
other other aspects of that again it's

909
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:46,399
not really my focus of research so

910
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,080
you know when i when i don't have that

911
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,159
information or that knowledge then i

912
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,480
will just take people for their word

913
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,399
yeah um

914
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,919
i think that's the only way you can

915
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,840
treat people in it you know in a nice

916
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,960
way you know

917
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,640
it's the human thing to do if they

918
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:02,880
believe it i believe it you know but i'm

919
00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:03,919
not going to go shouting from the

920
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:06,320
rooftops that that it happened but

921
00:31:11,590 --> 00:31:09,919
i i i'm an ear they can talk to me

922
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:11,600
yeah so you're not opposed to the

923
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:14,399
concept of it

924
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,840
i'm not going to judge you know i'm not

925
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:17,120
going to judge people for having a

926
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,559
belief system that's

927
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,720
different from mine has anything changed

928
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:22,559
for you though throughout the years of

929
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,919
doing this like

930
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,159
or even researching is it has anything

931
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,159
changed for you like aspects like did

932
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:29,679
you

933
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:38,000
uh or opinion

934
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,760
not really shifting thought and opinion

935
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:41,279
i guess

936
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,640
everything i'm about when it comes to

937
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,880
subjects has been about the research and

938
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,880
and stuff like that i think when people

939
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,399
have seen the

940
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,840
upcoming documentary series from

941
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:51,600
colombia i think they'll see a slightly

942
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,039
different me let's put it like that

943
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:56,960
and if it's fact based then that's sort

944
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,720
of the the fuel to your rocket ship then

945
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,960
that's good i mean the science community

946
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,960
as sean cahill mentioned last week he

947
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,799
said you know you show them these five

948
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:06,960
observables they're tangible you know

949
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:08,480
they're visually tracked they're on

950
00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:11,600
radar they they create data right like

951
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:13,679
there's there's metrics to these things

952
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,919
so to just be able to say well no i

953
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:17,279
don't i don't believe it yeah but if

954
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,720
you're a science mind you have to look

955
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,799
at it now because now it's not coming

956
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,559
from some guy's grainy video that he

957
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,559
filmed in his backyard and you just

958
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,320
don't know what his motivations are if

959
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,159
it's real or modified whatever it's

960
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,559
coming from the government so it's it's

961
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,880
you can't just say ah it doesn't make

962
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,480
sense so there's nothing to it anymore

963
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,799
if it's factual based and it's you know

964
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,039
predictable repeatable that's what

965
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:40,960
science minds including myself that's

966
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,880
what we're looking for you know show me

967
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,960
i want to believe but i'm not quick to

968
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,559
believe you know i think i'm more of an

969
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,799
optimistic pessimist than anything else

970
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,720
like that's probably why it's a

971
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,559
phenomenon because you can't repeat it

972
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,080
like it's not you know i know science

973
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:56,159
you'll be able to repeat an experiment

974
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,600
but you can't repeat that a sighting

975
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,519
takes a look at quantum physics quantum

976
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,519
physics is a science and when you

977
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,960
observe something and measure the

978
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,559
results they're different from when

979
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:06,240
you're not observing and measuring the

980
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,120
result so the mere act of measuring

981
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,880
changes how things behave because now

982
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,320
you're giving them a purpose you know

983
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:14,080
it's it's not stranger than you think

984
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:17,519
it's stranger than you can think so yeah

985
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,519
excites me that's the that's exactly all

986
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,200
that data stuff and the analysis

987
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,360
scientific stuff that is a bit more of

988
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,440
my focus not not that i'm a scientist

989
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,679
doing the work but i just you know

990
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,120
people talk about wanting to see the

991
00:33:34,630 --> 00:33:32,240
next video or photograph i want the data

992
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,640
you know i want the radar data and and

993
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,559
all that kind of stuff that to me is

994
00:33:41,190 --> 00:33:39,120
more compelling than a video or a photo

995
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:41,200
because of you know it's 2022 we know

996
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,440
how well these things can be manipulated

997
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,279
faked hoaxed and all that kind of stuff

998
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,080
so give me data that's why i find you

999
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:50,000
know where the truth will lie

1000
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:51,760
we need another phoenix lights we need

1001
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:54,960
another 10 000 people to blatantly see

1002
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:57,519
something and you know 800 people to get

1003
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,440
it on tape and say yeah maybe one or two

1004
00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:00,799
are fake but you're not going to get

1005
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,360
that kind of uh a mass collaboration

1006
00:34:07,509 --> 00:34:05,120
right cities can't even agree on where

1007
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,519
to put parking and where to build a park

1008
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:09,119
there's no way they're going to be good

1009
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:10,560
enough to make that up right we need

1010
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,599
another another big event to happen

1011
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,200
it's bound to happen it's bound to

1012
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:17,359
happen there's no way right and who

1013
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:19,280
knows what's the next city that's going

1014
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,800
to take place but

1015
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:22,879
yeah i i always say that please be

1016
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,240
chilliwack please be chilliwack

1017
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,079
british columbia and then the west coast

1018
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,839
of north america in general is a hot

1019
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:31,200
spot you know all the way through

1020
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,480
washington oregon down through

1021
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:34,560
california and then like right into

1022
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:37,520
mexico and further south right so um

1023
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,280
especially being so close to the water a

1024
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,359
lot of these things demonstrate they can

1025
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,159
go from space to air to water and it no

1026
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,599
matter what the medium it doesn't seem

1027
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,359
to affect them at all right so

1028
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,960
absolutely these things have been

1029
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,560
tracked on the east and west coast of

1030
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,639
the us you know catalina island

1031
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,000
obviously down like you say to the

1032
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,399
islands a bit down here nearer to mexico

1033
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,640
but then off the coast of florida naval

1034
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:00,800
base oceana off of virginia things like

1035
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:02,240
that that we apparently they're

1036
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,280
happening almost on a daily basis still

1037
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:08,000
fascinating okay so this uh

1038
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,320
phenomenology movie that is coming out

1039
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,240
on may 1st is that correct

1040
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:14,240
episode one drops may the first on our

1041
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:16,480
dedicated new youtube channel for free

1042
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:19,200
no paywall or anything yeah nice

1043
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,560
and what's the length time of the

1044
00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:22,560
episode do you know

1045
00:35:25,910 --> 00:35:24,270
i think they're probably going to be

1046
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:25,920
[Music]

1047
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,359
20 to 30 minutes depending

1048
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,640
yeah depending on each one i think

1049
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:32,079
they'll be between that um hopefully

1050
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:33,920
it'll run about eight to ten episodes as

1051
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,800
well weekly weekly releases yeah

1052
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:39,119
and at some point are you gonna write a

1053
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:40,320
book

1054
00:35:43,829 --> 00:35:41,920
about your experiences i mean you've

1055
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:43,839
talked to everybody you would have great

1056
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,720
insight on to this phenomenon so

1057
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,400
are you going to write a book

1058
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,839
you know what i think that's something

1059
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,760
that would be another decade down the

1060
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:53,760
line i've got so much work i want to do

1061
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:56,000
in this field for the next

1062
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:58,400
you know for the next 10 years at least

1063
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:59,599
um

1064
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:01,200
that i think that would be something a

1065
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,560
lot further down the line and it would

1066
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,240
include all the columbia stuff but i

1067
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:06,079
hope that i get to do a lot more kind of

1068
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,599
boots on the ground work in the coming

1069
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,920
years so yeah i think eventually you

1070
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:11,200
know i'm surrounded by a lot of good

1071
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,400
authors graham rendell part of uap media

1072
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,240
uk has written the

1073
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,480
the foo fighter book recently

1074
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,880
absolutely phenomenal so i wouldn't even

1075
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:22,400
dare to attempt to write a book at this

1076
00:36:27,030 --> 00:36:25,280
stage i'd need a lot more experience in

1077
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:27,040
in the field you know i still feel like

1078
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:28,480
even though i've been

1079
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,160
in the background for quite a long time

1080
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:31,920
in this subject i still feel like i'm

1081
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,400
new to some degree so i wouldn't want to

1082
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:36,640
do something too soon too early

1083
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,400
do it as a memoir when you've got years

1084
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:40,560
and years of things to reflect on right

1085
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,800
after disclosure yeah

1086
00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:44,240
and the thing is too with all your

1087
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,160
podcasts i mean you got great material

1088
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,480
there you can go back and listen to it

1089
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,400
and uh i don't know if it's probably the

1090
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,079
same for you as it is for me but they're

1091
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,560
they're all my babies uh each and every

1092
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,720
single one of them and i i forget

1093
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,320
sometimes some of the conversations i

1094
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,560
had and i listened to them i'm like man

1095
00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:02,480
that's crazy that i had that person on

1096
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,320
and you're one of those people that i

1097
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,839
have to have on

1098
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:07,200
just because i've seen the success that

1099
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:08,560
you've had over the

1100
00:37:12,950 --> 00:37:11,040
last few years and i'm i'm amazed at how

1101
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:12,960
big it blew up but

1102
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,000
most importantly is the uh spreading the

1103
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,839
word out there you know as you're

1104
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:19,119
getting more and more

1105
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,800
out there and your posts are getting

1106
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:22,560
retweeted and stuff like that

1107
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:24,480
uh people are getting the word that you

1108
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:26,000
know there's you don't need to wait for

1109
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,599
the government for disclosure we have

1110
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:29,119
people like this that are talking to the

1111
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:30,560
right people right

1112
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,599
so kudos kurosuma man that's uh that's a

1113
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,760
big deal it's a big deal thank you man

1114
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,359
i'm not very good at taking compliments

1115
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,640
so

1116
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,880
you know i i always wanted my work to do

1117
00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:43,440
the talking and not really me so yeah

1118
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,760
you know i i do still struggle with that

1119
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:48,000
because it's not about me trying to put

1120
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,160
my face and name out there right i'm

1121
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:52,000
just associated with the subject and

1122
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,680
doing work in it so

1123
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,280
there's a kind of it's a double-edged

1124
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,800
sword you know i want to get the

1125
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,800
information out there and if my name has

1126
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,800
to go along with it then i guess i have

1127
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:02,800
to accept that to some level you know

1128
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:04,720
some degree i guess you don't want to

1129
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:06,160
because there have been some names that

1130
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:08,240
have come and made a splash and were

1131
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,720
very quickly sought as maybe like a bit

1132
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:12,960
of a sellout or you know they had

1133
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,119
materialistic motives and even lou

1134
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,440
elizondo i've heard him mention that

1135
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,440
you know he didn't part ways with to the

1136
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:21,520
stars academy it's just they are media

1137
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,960
based and they want to be all about

1138
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:25,280
television programming and he's got more

1139
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:27,040
work to do than almost to just limit

1140
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,960
himself to that you know maybe maybe

1141
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:31,040
he's not willing to settle down you know

1142
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:34,240
so to speak yet right so absolutely yeah

1143
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,440
people wanna

1144
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,520
you wanna get the word out but a lot of

1145
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:38,880
these people including yourself are very

1146
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:40,560
humble you know even sean cahill

1147
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,320
extremely humble down to earth guy

1148
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,160
they're not uh they're not out there

1149
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,760
waving the flag saying everybody listen

1150
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:47,680
to me i'm an expert on the subject

1151
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:49,119
they're quick to admit there are no

1152
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:51,119
experts because nobody knows nobody has

1153
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,520
definitive proof so let's keep our our

1154
00:38:57,270 --> 00:38:55,680
heads about us and not get too

1155
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:57,280
too big about what we think we are you

1156
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:58,880
know let's just keep talking about this

1157
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,280
and let's make it be a cool thing to

1158
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:03,839
discuss you know we have some colleagues

1159
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:06,079
amongst us that agree with us on every

1160
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,680
other topic and planet and they're like

1161
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,000
you guys do an alien show really like

1162
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,480
like people come on that thing yeah yeah

1163
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,880
so even if we can get them to listen

1164
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:16,800
it's working and that's part of breaking

1165
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,119
down those walls and the stigma and

1166
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,359
this is not a fringe topic anymore so

1167
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,920
let's talk about it with some respect

1168
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,359
louie you absolutely nailed it

1169
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,280
absolutely nailed it thank you brother

1170
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,440
you know it's you mentioned lou and sean

1171
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:30,960
i've been really lucky enough to form

1172
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,400
good friendships with these guys away

1173
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:34,720
from off camera and stuff like that and

1174
00:39:39,109 --> 00:39:37,520
it's not about them people think louis

1175
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,119
he's coming to this subject as mr

1176
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,880
disclosure he hasn't he's just bringing

1177
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,640
him bringing forward some information

1178
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,040
and yeah you know people

1179
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,960
look at that in the wrong way and they

1180
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,560
put too much emphasis on the person and

1181
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,920
not on what they're saying or what

1182
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:51,440
they're trying to say because we know

1183
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,400
that

1184
00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:54,160
people like lou can't say what they

1185
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:56,240
would really like to say because they're

1186
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,680
stuck behind these

1187
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,520
non-disclosure agreements so i think the

1188
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,760
focus needs to remain completely and

1189
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:04,000
entirely on the data and the information

1190
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:05,119
you know we've come a long way in the

1191
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,720
last four years a lot further than we

1192
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,640
had in the previous well quite a few

1193
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,280
decades in my opinion so yeah it's funny

1194
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:12,960
about our community though but if you

1195
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,480
think about it

1196
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,800
we wanted somebody like lou for so long

1197
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:18,480
we wanted somebody to come out from

1198
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,520
these you know clandestine underground

1199
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:23,760
you know investigative

1200
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:26,560
pentagon people we get that and then we

1201
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,760
got a bunch of people saying oh he's a

1202
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,599
disinformant agent and now we got people

1203
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:31,200
attacking them it was such a weird

1204
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,319
community

1205
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,240
like we get these things that we wanted

1206
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:37,119
when we wanted then we pick it apart

1207
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,560
don't we do that with everything though

1208
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:40,079
we really want to vote this guy in

1209
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,440
because he's going to make a change and

1210
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,760
as soon as he's in get that idiot out

1211
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:45,599
yeah he's a complete waste of time you

1212
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,560
know did you not just put him in yeah

1213
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,240
we got to blame ourselves a little bit

1214
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,599
sometimes these people have a job

1215
00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:53,520
because of our decisions

1216
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,920
yeah but i see guys like christopher

1217
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,480
mellon or or lou or sean or anybody

1218
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,800
that's like even yourself uh you know

1219
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,800
you're out there all the time as humble

1220
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,480
as you can be but you'll have people

1221
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,440
that just i don't know what their deal

1222
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,119
is but they they just poo poo on

1223
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,280
everything like you mentioned and i i

1224
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,599
hate that like it's like it's solid work

1225
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,680
people are getting attacked online and

1226
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,760
uh i you know it's part of the job i

1227
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,400
guess but uh have you had that at all

1228
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:22,000
yeah i mean when i first started on

1229
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,680
instagram last year

1230
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,599
um and i started getting a little bit of

1231
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,800
growth and

1232
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,400
i'd post something and peop someone

1233
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:29,920
would come at me with with it with a

1234
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:32,000
comment and i'd be i'd be like i can't

1235
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:33,599
have that and i've got to respond and

1236
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:35,599
very very quickly i learned that the

1237
00:41:40,150 --> 00:41:37,760
best possible thing you can do is don't

1238
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:40,160
respond so now if you look anywhere

1239
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,680
across all my social medias and

1240
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,079
everywhere you won't see me

1241
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,640
engaging in back and forth and negative

1242
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,280
conversations i keep it very i put the

1243
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,200
information out and i don't really say

1244
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,160
much yeah i will engage with positive

1245
00:41:58,230 --> 00:41:56,400
people yeah you know who who wouldn't

1246
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,240
want that you know i think

1247
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:00,880
i think you shut up a lot of your um uh

1248
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,800
your haters because when they start

1249
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,960
seeing the guests and the podcasts and

1250
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,119
the work that you put into it um i think

1251
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:09,680
that shut them up for good you know

1252
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:11,280
yeah i think it's there are certain

1253
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:14,560
people out there that just no matter how

1254
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,240
much work you put in and how much good

1255
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,240
information somebody might bring out

1256
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,400
they'll still come at you oh yeah

1257
00:42:24,230 --> 00:42:22,720
and trolls are trolls everywhere exactly

1258
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,240
you know the best thing to do is ignore

1259
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:26,079
it you know even if you engage with them

1260
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:27,920
in any possible way you're giving them

1261
00:42:31,510 --> 00:42:29,440
attention and the time of day that they

1262
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:31,520
don't deserve and it may sound harsh to

1263
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,800
some people but that's what they're

1264
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,560
looking for they're trying to get a rise

1265
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,760
out of you they want to know that they

1266
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:37,119
pissed you off that's what they're

1267
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:39,280
that's gratifying for them yeah yeah

1268
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,960
because all i know is that

1269
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,640
if if they're spending all their time

1270
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,240
hating on other people they're not doing

1271
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:46,400
anything positive for the subject and to

1272
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:48,400
me now that has become like

1273
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,440
enough

1274
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:51,119
for me to know that

1275
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,920
you know

1276
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:53,599
let them dwell in their

1277
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:54,720
their own

1278
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:55,680
mess

1279
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,319
winston churchill said if you stop for

1280
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,720
every barking dog on your journey you're

1281
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,359
never gonna get to your destination so

1282
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,599
keep going there you go love it my

1283
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,359
favorite one was from mark twain never

1284
00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:09,359
argue with an idiot because they tend to

1285
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:10,960
bring you down to their level and beat

1286
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,880
you with years of experience that's

1287
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,800
right yeah there you go i like it yeah

1288
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:16,400
when you get into fight with an idiot

1289
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,640
you both look stupid yeah

1290
00:43:22,390 --> 00:43:20,480
is that the truth vinny where could

1291
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,400
people find you uh online i know i

1292
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,240
mentioned it earlier but i will let you

1293
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,000
uh have an opportunity or a kick at the

1294
00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:28,960
can here to promote yourself uh where

1295
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,880
where can we find your work

1296
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:33,040
um i suppose my main outlet would be

1297
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:36,480
instagram is at disclosure underscore

1298
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,359
team

1299
00:43:40,630 --> 00:43:39,040
um i have a link tree on there where you

1300
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,640
can find everything else if you did want

1301
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,240
to go direct to twitter it would be

1302
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,800
disclosure team underscore and then if

1303
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,480
you just saw search disclosure team on

1304
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,280
youtube um you'll see the the black and

1305
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:51,680
white logo hopefully and you can find

1306
00:43:55,109 --> 00:43:53,599
all my podcasts and stuff on there i

1307
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,119
will say i'm also a part of the

1308
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:57,440
anomalous podcast network which is run

1309
00:44:02,470 --> 00:44:00,400
by andy from that ufo podcast so my

1310
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,480
podcasts all my videos and interviews

1311
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,880
actually are then put out on all the

1312
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,280
kind of spotify and apple podcasts

1313
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:10,079
through the anomalous podcast network

1314
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,200
nice

1315
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,720
vinnie adams i thank you so much for

1316
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,400
coming on the podcast hopefully this is

1317
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:16,720
not the only time let's have you on

1318
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,160
again uh i look forward to your upcoming

1319
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,480
episodes and again i encourage any

1320
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,119
listener if you haven't watched or

1321
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,880
listened to disclosure team yet do

1322
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:28,720
yourself a favor go download the podcast

1323
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:31,119
right now thank you so much vinnie thank